NEW YORK In light
of President Obama’s comments comparing the activities of the NSA with those of
Santa Claus, MR Claus agreed to an extraordinary interview with Oprah Winfrey,
who hosted a popular talk show for many years.
Oprah has given interviews to a number of people in need of cleaning up
their tarnished image. She recently
interviewed disgraced cyclist lance Armstrong.
A US Federal Judge recently ruled that the NSA’s spying
activities on American soil, which included recording phone conversations and
extracting internet usage data from Google, Microsoft and Apple, were unconstitutional. Many believe Obama’s comments were designed
to deflect criticism away from his administration and put pressure on Santa
Claus who has had tense relations with the United States ever since he was placed
on the Terrorist Watch list in 2007 for possessing stealth technology which
could be used in a hostile action against the United States.
Below is the full transcript of Oprah Winfrey’s interview
with Mr Claus, which will air on Christmas Eve across the nation, and which
will be carried live in 38 countries.
Oprah: Mr Claus thank you very much for consenting to
this interview.
SC: No problem Oprah, and please, just call me Santa.
Oprah: Ok Santa.
I’ll try.
SC: You know my
wife used to watch your show religiously.
Oprah: Did
she? If you don’t mind me asking, what
does Mrs Claus do? I mean, you and the
elves make toys and I assume you are involved with the general organization and
administration of Christmas.
SC: Yes that’s
right. Well, Mrs Claus does a lot of
work with the reindeer. You know, you
have to train the little ones, teach them how to fly properly, take care of
their medical needs. So really there is
plenty for her to do. Plus she also
organizes the housekeeping and keeps me fed.
Oprah: Some might
call that a bit too traditional.
SC: Maybe, but
we’ve been around for over 1700 years and we have always divided things this
way. Ho h oho, after all, there is no
way Mrs Claus wants anything to do with my cooking?
Oprah: So you are
not a good cook?
SC: Goodness
no! I’m lucky if I can turn on a
microwave, let alone do any cooking.
Oprah: That is
very interesting. What is your favorite
food?
SC: As you can see
by my healthy paunch, I like all kinds of food.
You know when we first started out at the North Pole, our food was
mostly highly salted fish and sea food, kind of like what is eaten in the
traditional north. But over time as we
have been exposed to the world, other types of food came in slowly and ho ho ho
thank goodness for that.
Oprah: And your
favorite type?
SC: probably
Italian I’d say, that and Chinese. You
know, pretty much like everyone else.
Oprah: and Mrs
Claus cooks all those different types for you?
SC: pretty
much. Ever since she has been able to
get the life style channel, the sky’s the limit as you say.
Oprah: Well this
is very interesting and it is wonderful to get some insight into your private
life, but you know we are here to deal with some very contentious issues.
SC: Yes I know.
Oprah: Let’s start
with Barak Obama’s latest comments concerning what he termed “an invasion of
privacy on a scale that dwarfs anything the NSA has ever done.” How do you respond to that given how the
revelations of NSA spying have angered the American people and indeed the
people of the world?
SC: Well I think Barak
Obama is a good man and he is under a lot of pressure. He knows the revelations of NSA spying has
hurt his popularity and weakened his ability to get policies enacted so I think
he is trying to deflect scrutiny off of himself and the NSA on to me.
Oprah: This might
be true, but, I mean, if you truly know when we’ve been sleeping, and know when
we’re awake, doesn’t that constitute a massive invasion of privacy?
SC: The answer
here is complicated Oprah. On the one
hand, yes, the NSA are amateurs compared to me.
I’ve been able to see who has been naughty or nice for centuries, as
well as know who is sleeping and who isn’t.
Even the NSA with their vast computing power can’t lay claim to that
capability.
Oprah: So you
admit to spying.
SC: yes I suppose
speaking technically, I am guilty of spying, but as I said earlier, this is a
more complicated issue than simply spying.
Look, the NSA justifies their spying by saying they are hunting for
terrorists and only look at individual phone conversations, for example, when
there is a high degree of suspicion.
We’re pretty much the same really.
But we’re not looking for terrorists, just little terrors, if you know
what I mean. Ho ho ho.
Oprah: Well I
think I know what you mean but puns aside, this isn’t really a laughing matter.
SC: Perhaps
not. But you see, most children are not
naughty, not really. They might do
naughty things once in a while, but they are not naughty per se. So in actual fact, we really have very little
need of individual data. I mean, ask
yourself, have you ever heard of a child who did not receive a Christmas gift
because he was too naughty?
Oprah: Well---
SC: No, you never
have.
Oprah: In that
case, why keep tabs? Why not give gifts
to all of the children?
SC: Well it’s
becoming that way. You see Oprah when I
first started out, I was pretty much a Christian saint and my duties involved
giving gifts to only Christian children.
At first that was pretty simple because the world was pretty much
divided into religious sectors. You had
Christendom, and then you had the non-Christian areas of the world, what we
called the Pagan world back in those days.
In those early days, if a child was baptized he was nice. If not, he was naughty. But then you see Islam came along and swept
over areas which were once Christian.
Now you had Christians and Muslims living together, and sometimes even
side by side. You also had the spread of
Buddhism in the east which in some parts of the world collided with
Christianity. Scholars are just now
understanding this. Thus, aside from
Western Europe which remained predominantly Christian, the world ruled by Islam
was not so simple to navigate. In many
cases, Islam tolerated diverse religions as did, by the way, the Mongols. This made it necessary to start to keep tabs
on individual children because children who were baptized lived next to
children who were not, and in many cases, single families consisted of both
types.
Oprah: But surely
it doesn’t matter what religion children are?
SC: Well that is
pretty much my thinking now, but back in Medieval times, we all were, well, you
know, Medieval. I remember having some
discussions with St. Augustine about this but he insisted on the importance of
baptism and he was the preeminent scholar of the church so I deferred to his
wisdom. And I admit I was also a product
of Medieval times. You realize though
that we did not consider ourselves Medieval.
Medieval is a concept of historians.
Back then, that was our present.
We thought we were logical and pretty advanced. Indeed, we considered ourselves the apex of
God’s creation.
Oprah: This is
fascinating. So you’re saying you didn’t
snoop as it were until the geographical boundaries of religions became blurred.
SC:
Absolutely. That’s right. I mean, we could fly over France, for example
and know they were all Christian children.
But when flying over Spain before 1492 before The Catholics drove out
the Jews and Muslims,, you had Christian, Muslim and Jew pretty much coexisting
together. The situation in what you call
Turkey was a mess because you had Orthodox Christianity everywhere mixed in
with Islam and it was very difficult to sort out the naughty children from the
nice ones. And then, truth be told, Mrs
Claus kept insisting that non-Christian children could be nice as well.
Oprah: And what
was your response?
SC: Well after
having given presents to children for centuries I agreed. Then the Reformation came along and the one
big church split up into lots of fragments and suddenly you had the idea of
hundreds of true churches, and the invisible church which spanned multiple
denominations and oh, it was a real mess.
Oprah: Surely you
could see that your criteria for naughtiness and niceness had to change.
SC: Oh
absolutely. But don’t you see, this
meant our criteria became much more subjective.
Before things were pretty binary.
You had Baptized Christian, not Baptized Christian. It was basically on and off. But with the breakdown of social and
geographical boundaries to religion, we had to look at many factors such as
behavior, attitude, whether someone had a good conscience, and we also had to
take into consideration their environment and make projections.
Oprah:
Projections, what do you mean?
SC: Well at first
we still had the Christian or not Christian dynamic. So if we examined a Muslim child, for
instance, we had to observe his or her character and project what that child
might have been like if the child had the opportunity to embrace Christianity.
Oprah: I see, so
this meant much more observation.
SC: Exactly. We couldn’t just rely on church records. We had to observe and record information
about each individual child. As our
criteria for determining naughtiness and niceness became more subjective, our
need for data increased exponentially.
Oprah: I must
admit I am surprised to hear you say words like exponential and data. Somehow I don’t associate you with high tech.
SC: Ho ho ho! Of course I’m high tech. All of this increased observation meant terabytes
of data storage.
Oprah: Wait a
minute. Let’s back up a little. How do you observe all the children?
SC: Well since I’m
here to clear up some misconceptions I might as well explain this as well as I
can. You see we use magic to observe the
children. This is why you do not see
North Pole cameras everywhere. But there
is no magic that makes me remember all the children and the data associated
with them. so I need computing power for
that?
Oprah: So you’re
saying you had computing power long before the rest of us?
SC: Ho ho ho. Yes of course. Think of it like this. We are often told to picture Judgment Day
with God opening books and pouring through names. But you wouldn’t rely on books of names to go
through billions of people. Well,
neither does God. But Daniel and John
and those guys who wrote about Judgment Day did not know anything about
computers, let alone what you call quantum computing so they spoke in terms of
books. With the changing criteria, I
spoke to the Archangel Michael, no I think it was Gabriel. Anyway, I spoke to one of them and even to
Christ himself and they basically gave me some of their technology.
Oprah: Wait, I
mean wait. Just wait a minute. So you’re saying you spoke to angels and to
Christ. You mean they exist?
SC: Ho ho ho. Of course they exist.
Oprah: But how, I
mean, how is it that you can talk to them and can you prove this?
SC: First of all,
I’m a saint. And being a saint, I get
special access to the throne. But as for
proving anything, well I doubt I can prove anything to your satisfaction. Even if God showed up and wrote I am the Lord
your God in letters of gold across the sky, people might simply say she, oh
wait, you insist on calling God he.
Well, uh, anyway, they would say she, sorry I meant he, was an advanced
alien, not necessarily God. I think the
only proof I can offer is that I give presents to kids every year and have been
doing so for over a millennium now and that is something outside of what you
call normal experience.
Oprah: Oh my
goodness you have just opened yourself up to hundreds of questions, but sadly
time is limited. Can you briefly explain
what you mean by what you just said, and is God a she!
SC: Well God is
above gender but she loves to be our Mother as much as he loves to be our
Father. I mean, just think of the
trinity. You have God the father, God
the son, and whose missing? Ask any
six-year-old kid and they will immediately say “Mommy.” But basically, I do this because Christ gave
us the greatest gift of all, the gift of salvation, and while I could talk
about this theologically until the reindeer come home, I’ll simply say that I
give gifts to children because I myself received the greatest gift anyone could
ever have, and I want children all over the world to know what it is like to receive
a gift, because so many have no idea. I
want to give them a little ho ho ho in their lives.
Oprah: That is
very touching. So then, given all this,
how do you feel about being compared to the NSA and being accused of spying?
SC: Well it is
hurtful but I understand it. But you see
the problem is that all this fear about an invasion of privacy stems from
mistrust and fear. It hurts me that
people are starting to fear me. As I
explained earlier, I needed a way to differentiate naughty and nice children. You know I meant what I said before. We don’t really look at individual children
as much as hot spots of naughtiness to see if we can make any demographic
correlations that will help us.
Oprah: That sounds
like NSA justification.
SC: Yes I suppose
it does. But as I keep saying, things
are more complicated than a black and white scenario. You know children come into this world and
generally accept others for what they are.
They only hate because they are taught to hate and I believe that where there
is much hatred, there ought to be much kindness.
Oprah: Explain.
SC: What I am
saying is that children who are, for example, forced into armies to fight and
forced to kill their families in order to survive, well they are technically
naughty, but they need extra niceness.
So we have to analyze the naughtiness of the children so we can target
them with more gifts or with the right kind of gifts.
Oprah: Surely you
don’t expect us to believe all of those poor children in Africa are given nice
presents at Christmas.
SC: No they’re not
because these war zones are too dangerous.
And sadly, if we dropped in presents of toys and food, the stronger
would take them from the weaker.
Children have been killed for food they obtained. But we would like to help. This is why starting in the early 1920’s, we
looked into automated sleighs which could pilot themselves.
Oprah: What? You mean like drone sleighs?
SC: Yes. We started the project to find a way to help
the poor children who were stuck in war zones.
I admit I took things too slowly.
Then one foggy Christmas Eve, my mind changed. It was ridiculous that we had to rely on a
single red nosed reindeer to navigate, especially when you consider we’re in
the North Pole and that is notorious for its poor weather. Here we had terabytes of data capacity and
computing power that makes your super computers look like an abacus, but we
were relying on visual navigation. So
while I was grateful to Rudolph, I knew changes had to be made.
Oprah: What did
Rudolph think?
SC: Well he got to
play his reindeer games so he was cool with it.
He was young so didn’t understand the profound changes which were
coming. Rudolph was in the 40’s and we
tried all manner of navigational technology.
There was no GPS system back then so we tried stuff Tesla theorized and
other things as well. Progress was
slow. In fact, it was one of our drone
sleighs that crashed into what you call Area 51 and well, ho ho ho, I don’t
need to go into that.
Oprah: Wait. Are you saying you are responsible for what
happened in Area 51?
SC: Yes, and some
enterprising elves. You see, my elves
are artists, and it wasn’t enough for them to have a sleigh with no physical
pilot. Also, we were having trouble with navigational technology. So the engineers hit upon the idea of hooking
up navigation to a reindeer through implants.
The reindeer brain is superior to any computer and we thought this would
solve some of our technical problems.
Dancer’s grandfather was a test pilot and he volunteered. We implanted sensors that could pick up small
variations in earth’s magnetic field to navigate like we think some birds do,
and things were going smoothly, but something went wrong and he and his drone
sleigh prototype crashed. Your US
government had never seen a flying reindeer before and this combined with the
implants led some to think there were aliens involved. Then things just sort of snowballed from
there.
Oprah: And you
only come clean now?
SC: Sure now that
Area 51 documents have been declassified.
I mean, ho ho ho, not that they tell you anything of substance. But I kept quiet because your government
classified everything and I did not want to alert anyone to our drone program
just yet. I knew that eventually someone
would figure things out and drones would be used to kill, and I wanted to delay
this as long as possible, so I did not say anything.
SC: Well I am here to clean up my image. That’s why many people talk to you isn’t it?
Oprah: Yes, I suppose so, and because people say I
go soft on them.
SC: yes, people say this. But actually, I find I wish I had more time
to talk more. I want people, and
especially children everywhere to know that someone is interested in their
happiness.
Oprah: I think we can all appreciate that, but there
are still issues of privacy.
SC: True.
But you know, humanity is entering a new age, an age in which
information is not only abundant, but easily shared. Privacy as you knew it is a thing of the
past. I’m not saying privacy isn’t
important, but just as the train and plane transformed global communications
and travel, this is transforming humanity.
You don’t know the right balance yet.
How could you? When railroads began
to dominate you had ruthless monopolies who controlled those railroads. Germany used their superior railroads to
nearly Conquer Europe in World War I.
But they also opened up vast new possibilities hitherto undreamed of for
millions of people. For the first time,
supplies could be brought to remote places quickly. Those railroads improved thousands upon
thousands of lives. So you have good
internet and bad internet. Good surveillance
and bad surveillance and you are scared and frightened because you don’t know
what to do with the bad, but you want the good.
Oprah: So you’re saying we’ll figure it out?
SC: yes, if you don’t blow yourselves up first
you will eventually figure things out.
You know, people are becoming more and more connected with one another. We’re striving to do with technology what we
would have liked to have done with telepathy.
Of course, we are not telepathic and so we misunderstand one another,
hurt one another and so on. The Tower of
Babel story, whether you believe it or not, has a lot of wisdom. When the one language became many, we became
confused. Confusion breeds
misunderstanding and that breeds hatred.
Sure there is a sinister side to all of this interconnection, but maybe,
just maybe, the more connected humanity becomes with one another, the more
empathy humanity will feel for one another.
And the more empathy we feel, the less likely we are to hurt one
another. So yes, there is good and bad
and just like I changed my naughty and nice criteria over time, you will change
your opinion of things over time and find the right balance.
Oprah: I guess that is what we have always done.
SC: Yes, eventually, humanity figures things out.
Oprah: Santa, I wish we had more time, but I would
like to thank you for taking the time with us this morning. I suppose you are very busy now.
SC: yes, very.
Mrs Claus has me doing hard exercise as well because of all those
cookies I’ll get in a few days, but yes, I am very busy.
Oprah: Well, thanks again.
SC: Thank
you. Ho ho ho and Merry Christmas!
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